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school spiel, suddenly it's mass hypnosis. >> we know the left has always used kids in public school as guinea pigs. >> exhibit a for staying in school, if you don't, you could end up all michelle mulcany. and, and, and you thought i was done with glenn beck and the communist symbol in rockefeller center? no, no i'm not. >> right above syphilis is right here, rockefeller. yeah, the artist didn't like rockefeller too much. and what does this have to do with today? i don't know. >> you've got to tell them! >> they're here already! oh, yeah, and look what
happened overnight to the communist symbols in glenn beck's part of rock federaler center. all that and more now on "countdown." >> it drives me nuts that nobody knows what this is. good evening from new york. after swallowing a compromise on the iraq withdrawal timetable and after accepting a stimulus package that included 40% tax cuts and standing by in shock and dismay as the obama justice department decided to investigate only the most extreme, least policy-making outliers from bush's torture regime, in our fifth story, progressives are being told by the white house to be good soldiers because the white house has to pander to the whining, screeching, minority party that will never support the president and will never seen compromise. despite a recent poll showing the super majority support for the public option, the president is prepared to tell liberals in congress it's time to be good soldiers, according to our own david gregory and the democrats should start with an achievable foundation. the white house is also
according to nbc news sources contemplating legislative language in the president's upcoming speech pulling together the 80%, they believe all four congressional bills agree upon. and senior white house adviser david axelrod says, quote, i don't think there will be any ambiguity about where the president thinks we have to go from here. well, that's a relief, but will it miss the point? quoting, i know the white house is debating internally, but congress is writing the bill. the president is not. the white house should not take progressives for granted, it's not just the conservatives he needs to be in the fold, it's the progressives who have been in the vineyards fighting for reform for years. the president discussed health care reform today in the conference call with the caucus to express absolute commitment to a robust public option. the president suggested the dialogue should continue with the spirit and letter mr. obama's campaign for president has now been invoked in the form
of a petition. saying that a bill without a public option "would not be change we can believe in." and in less than one day, that petition has been signed by more than 200 former obama staffers, 13,000 volunteers, and 23,000 obama donors. then there is the gang of tricks. or gang of six. the senate finance committee negotiators who held a conference call today describing it as productive will meet again in person on tuesday next. the committee's ranking republican, the personification of bad faith bargaining, senator chuck grassley putting it gently, continues to disappoint. saying he expects a bill to pass before christmas. but "it may be kind of miniature to what we're talking about now." and there is some frustration in the white house with that senate finance committee according to nbc news sources. some urging the committee to complete a skeleton bill. first, "chicago tribune" board member and syndicated columnist clarence page. clarence, good evening. >> good evening, keith, how are you?
>> we heard it from you first that the white house would at least float the trigger of the idea of a public option. senator snowe's pet project. is this still fluid? what are you hearing now out of the white house? >> well, seems like this is the new pivot point now. that trigger idea. it is something that olympia snowe has been pushing and it's something that could break the ice here as far as this jam-up over the public option itself. since there aren't enough votes in the senate to get it passed, there are enough, it's already passed the house. and how do you break that up? it's something that seems like obama is sounding very favorable toward it from what we hear. as he talked to -- as you mentioned, talked to the progressives today. from what we hear, he was asking them how much are you willing to give? he's said david gregory indicated earlier that he's working on a speech for next wednesday, which is going to
essentially ask the progressive side, are you willing to give us a public option in return for other benefits that can be done. and then down the road, possibly, get that or something else. so seems like that's become the new negotiating point. >> why that route given that if the white house is having difficulty now in getting enough senators from its own party to vote for a public option, why is the inclination to cave rather than convince given that they have pulled out of the deck as large a stage as could be presented right now. we haven't had a nonstate of the union or state of the union style joint session of congress address since 2001. >> that's right. i don't want to sound too much like the administration has given up on it, like obama's given up on a public option. i think this is going to be a very, very important speech next week. he's got to make up for what he had hoped to do back in july, which is to educate the public on what the public option and
the other options are in regard to health care. a lot of the public just simply doesn't know yet. and he's got to try to bolster the courage of the democrats that he's got on his side. then maybe, maybe he can begin to persuade some of the others who he doesn't have on his side as far as the public option is concerned. and joe liberman, kent conrad, the various democrats or independents who are on the fence about this. or dead set against this. >> but the context of this, the president's pollsters are reportedly pleased with their own surveys, which show as other recent polls do that when health care proposals are explained, they're not just a series of catch phrases and scare buzz phrases, the public is in favor of this. >> so right. >> among the advisers, does
anybody realize they're at this point aiming conceivably for something lower than they could still achieve despite the bloody summer? >> well, i'm glad you pointed that out. because this does get lost in the shuffle that when you do explain it to the public, they tend to favor the public option. it really hasn't been explained that well. president obama had hoped to do so before the august recess. that didn't quite work out so well. and now he's trying to make up for lost time, but that's not that much time left. they really do want to try to get something passed here. sooner than what charles grassley was talking about earlier in terms of by christmas. that's a long time. >> clarence page of the "chicago tribune," great thanks as always. great information and have yourself a fine labor day weekend, sir. >> you too, keith, thanks. and there continues to be underneath this debate the utterly false notion that the public option is a progressive cause alone. since 77% still deem the public option extremely or quite important. that according to a recent poll which used language identical to a june nbc "wall street journal" poll. indeed over the past month, a slew of recent polls asking about the choice of a public option has produced support
between 55 and 77%. not just the progressives, but of, gosh, americans. let's turn now to publisher of "daily coast," good evening, again, markos. >> happy friday, keith. >> not really. >> those poll numbers are broadly consistent. how is the public option been rather successfully painted as solely some sort of progressive outliar kind of outlandish project? >> well, it's a lot easier to demonize in the campaign of life and fear if you paint the public option as a communist liberal plot to kill your grandmother. in reality, it's a plan that would introduce competition, market competition into a field that is very much monopoly-based. but that's not as big of a sell. what's interesting is that the person people have rejected that campaign. it still enjoys broad public support, not just among democrats, not even among independents, but also a significant minority of
republicans. >> the notion, if this is true and all the reporting seems to suggest it is, including what we've heard from clarence page that the president is preparing to ask liberal democrats to be good soldiers. also seems horse back of the cart here, millions of progressives, not just, you know, maybe independent-minded republicans or lawmakers voted for barack obama for president. are they not simply asking that actually for the first time in this administration he be the good soldier and do simply what he was elected to do and what he said he would do? >> not just progressives, keith, also independents. this was a campaign that was predicated on change we can believe in. and time and time again, we've seen, you know, so-called change watered down into sort of tinkering around the edges as a compromise. this is a signature issue for democrats. this was the number one issue after the war in iraq. and if they can't deliver on this, even though those
progressives and independents and even some republicans delivered historically large majorities in congress and in the white house, then i think there's nothing that democrats can't do no matter how big a majority. >> what is going on in the white house at the moment? how do they see it that they have come to this conclusion that everybody who got them in there who provided the margin for it who provided the steam to the election, even to the nomination is somehow to be told to shelve cashing in on a promise that was made to them as a predicate of the entire process? >> i think there's this assumption that you can always count on that progressive base to be there for obama whenever he needs them. so therefore, he needs to go out and find support elsewhere. i don't know if they have confidence in those polls, not the public ones, not just the public ones, but the internal ones that show this has broad based support among all americans, including a big majority of independents and some significant support among republicans. so to me the notion they're
going to compromise and sort of abandon the people that worked their butts off to get themludicrous. >> and what is the victory for them? what are they getting out of it? it seems to me if the republicans make significant gains on this on the final bill, it's not going to make them feel wow, this is a great president, we're going to support him the rest of his term, we're not going to run anybody against him in 2012, they're going to view this as blackmail that worked, aren't they? >> oh, absolutely, i think it emboldens the republicans, knowing the white house is weak. that they negotiate from a position of weakness, even when dealing with legislation, with policy that is incredibly, incredibly popular with the american people. we're not asking the obama administration to do the impossible or the unpopular, we're asking them to deliver on a popular policy, on an issue that they campaigned on, deliver on your promises, shouldn't be that difficult. >> yeah, you're ahead late in the fourth quarter, don't deliberately lose the game. the book is "taking on the system." it's now out in paperback. thanks, have a great weekend.
>> you too, thank you. the details and panic in the town halls may be utterly artificial, but the fear is very real. fear of a change to in particular insurance. fear that a modified system might result in 22% of insurance claims being rejected or a third of them or god forbid 40%. 40% claim rejections would mean if not death panels. then certainly bankruptcy panels. here the problem, those are the rejection rates now, today. 22% of all claims in california, a third of claims made to cigna, 40% to the ast troturf-funding pacificare. right now, right now there are bankruptcy panels in california. next.
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he's now investigating possible wrongful business practices by his state's five biggest health insurance companies, including one owned by the united health group. specifically in our fourth story tonight, turns out death panels are kind of real. and it took a group of nurses to find the real ones. brown's investigation comes after the california nurses association analyzed state data and found that one in five medical claims there is rejected. united company pacific care rejected 39.6% of claims 2 out of 5. insurance companies claim the figures are misleading, although the data came from their own filings. the managed care agency says most rejections do not mean denying treatment. no, in those cases it means denying reimbursement, which helps to explain why medical bills are a top cause of personal bankruptcy, meaning we still don't know the exact numbers who have had to go before insurance company death panels and have already died as a result. pacific care, part of united health group told the l.a. times that it had been inflated because reflects internal disputes that never affect patients. the state's managed care agency told the paper "department
examiners are at the health plan right now reviewing the payment practices." and the parent company, united, attorney general brown's office says he's considering a request to unite both united and well point, either to support bipartisan reform at best or to oppose congressional bills violates state law against coercing employee political activity. let's turn now to democratic congresswoman max seen watermax california. thanks for your time. >> delighted to be with you. thank you for inviting me. >> one investigation underway and another under consideration. let me start with the denial of claims. is that a criminal investigation there too? >> well, i am so pleased that attorney general jerry brown has decided to take this issue up. these stories we've been hearing for years.
people who pay their premiums year in and year out and then when they file a claim, the war begins. they've got to fight, they've got to do everything to try and get these companies to pay. and then they're often times rejected. this information by the california nurse's association is extremely important. this is a credible organization, representing over 86,000 in the united states of america, and this finally put the facts before us. that with which we suspected all along that there were huge rejections. this 39.6% of pacificare? that is outrageous. and then they ask us to somehow compromise and have a trigger to let these insurance companies to keep on committing these crimes and somehow set some kind of benchmark to give them an opportunity to do right. they've been ripping off the taxpayers, the american people, the citizens of this country for far too long. no compromise should be entertained by anybody. >> yes. and the idea was we could have triggers if the system doesn't
work. the point is the system doesn't work right now. we've already met whatever triggers could be established. let me ask about attorney general brown with all due respect to what he's trying to do. does our nation's health care problem including the denial of claims, is that owed more to the fact that sometimes laws are being broken? or more to the fact that so much is actually legal and the insurance companies can get away with effectively murder? >> well, the fact of the matter is, we don't regulate them in ways that would even suggest what their rates should be, whether or not they are -- should or should not be denying claims. this is all within their power to do. they can take someone again who's been paying premiums for 10 or 15 years on time, regularly, in one of these hmos, whatever you want to call it, and they can decide after they do their own review whether or not to reject or to deny. we don't clearly have a lot of control over that. >> we already know about the financial implications of this.
and i hesitate again to use that incendiary term death panels, but do people die, in fact, because of decisions made by insurance company executives? >> we absolutely have stories. we have information from people who have had the experience that there have been deaths. as a matter of fact, there are several that was cited by the nurses association as they presented this information about young people who have been denied certain procedures and consequently died. >> this request for the inquiry into well point and united that they coerced employees to go and oppose health care. even if they did, from the company's point of view, so what? what could possibly happen to the companies that would outweigh the benefits of creating these kind of fake public testimonials against health care reform? >> well, the fact of the matter is, if they have decided to treat their employees that way and to intimidate them and maybe even suggest in some ways that
they may not continue to be employed if they don't follow the company line is something we ought to be investigating. we should not allow them to do that. >> congresswoman, maxine waters of california as always, great thanks for your time and good luck as you continue your fight on this. >> thank you. thank you so very much. "oddball" tonight is devoted to this individual you see here. this is a 400-pound individual. and the latest related delicacy, deep fried butter. and that's a subject for an insurance panel. and "worst persons" devoted to those who stand and nod. the hand-picked audience at a one-side only town hall and he offers the man who speaks the insanity a job. all us fusion blades have an indicator strip. and when it fades to white, change your blade for a better shave. whoa! fresh blade. better shave. if you get sick, or change jobs.
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of course, it had to come down to this point. cheering on a president who ridiculed academic achievement, the republican party having shed hundreds of thousands of smart, is now resorting to the purist dig till lags of its many and hair-brained messages. distillation. the last hope, urging america to just stay home from school. just say no to education. reading are fundamental.
it stems, of course, from obama-phobia, irrational fear of a black man running the country. naturally the idea of an american president addressing america's school children is terrifying. so glenn beck and others on the right are telling parents to keep their kids home from school on tuesday. skip school now a mainstream republican position. we'll show those truant officers. why is this? because the department of education lesson plan has suspicious questions for kids to ask. >> i would not normally have a problem with any president that wants to address school children. wants to encourage them to study hard, to develop -- to learn, to have a great education. to inspire them that america's the greatest country and they can be all they can be, but when you read the specifics here, what is the president asking me to do? how can i help the president? now we're getting into an area where it seems very close to indoctrination or has the potential. >> you missed the question,
shawn, how about this one? does the speech make you want to do anything? because, of course, all good indoctrination asks you whether or not you want to be indoctrinated. and there's michelle mulkin and that blank stare warning that, quote, it's not about the text. he'll actually deliver an innocuous speech. wait, what? oh, i see, teachers will then urge their kids to write letters to demonize obama care opponents. to demonize obamacare opponents. where did this idea come from c. to demonize obamacare opponents. where did this idea come from that president obama should teach america's kids? perhaps from the article for the cover of "parade" magazine last month. what president obama can teach america's kids by mr. william o'reilly. or maybe from this guy who spoke to america's kids as campaign season began in october 1991 asking kids to write him telling them what they could do to help him achieve his goals. let's turn now to jonathan alter, also senior editor at "newsweek.
thanks for your time tonight. >> hi, keith. >> i know a lot of liberals are upset about this, but it's so stupid, i can't take it seriously. if michelle mulkin suggested kids wear a clove of garlic around their neck, i would not be laughing as hard as i am now. can you explain this crap for us? >> well, they're just rank hypocrites. i didn't see any of these characters complaining about president reagan in 1988 when he did this. and, in fact, reagan in his session with america's school children talked about the importance of cutting taxes. i didn't see them -- i didn't see them talking about indoctrination at that point on limbaugh's program. and then as you mentioned, president bush did the same in 1991. i think what you have here is a bunch of people who really don't believe that barack obama's legitimately president of the united states, whether that's racism or some other motivation is not clear. but they're trying to
delegitimize him in any way they can, be as disrespectful, not just to him but to the office as they can. and to my mind, to be actually, what i would call unpatriotic in their approach. and by that i mean that if you believe in this country, you know that education is the only route up. and that doesn't mean missing a day of school on the president's speech matters that much, but the point is obama has tremendous influence, particularly with african-american school children, and getting them to stay in school and work hard and work to improve this country. and the school superintendent in new orleans has spoken about the obama effect. that when the teachers tell the kids, the president wants you to do your homework, it helps. why would they want to undermine that? why would they want more children growing up, dropping out of school, causing problems for themselves and for society? these people are so myopic and so hypocritical it never ends, keith.
and you're right that it's funny, but on some level it's kind of pathetic. >> but also self-defeating, if you think about this, the democrat parents are going to tell their kids to stay in school that day and they'll get this message and whatever value this is towards keeping them in school, there'll be more democratic kids -- or kids of democratic parents will be staying in school and getting degrees and scholarships and things and the republicans will be working at burger king. it's self-defeating, isn't it? >> well, you know, it really is. it's something that people don't quite understand is that if you look at the 19 -- the 2008 election returns, the republican party is not only becoming more regional, more of a southern party, obviously an older white party, but also a much less well educated party. for the first time in many years democrats carried college-educated voters and long carried graduate school educated voters. so you can see scientists go
overwhelmingly democratic. so they're becoming whiter, more southern, and more stupid as time goes on. and i'm not sure that that helps the other party or the country. >> well, the conservatives also used to be conservative, go to school, listen to your teacher, shut up, respect at least the office of the president whether you care about the president or not. what exactly is the value system they're epouzing noing nowsings? >> i think it's resistance to, you know, a political opponent. and a very doctrine-aire approach to analyzing issues. and it works a lot of times. keith, there's a hard core 20%, i don't think it's that much higher than that, but 20% of the country that listens to these programs and that takes their marching orders from clowns like, you know, glenn and rush. >> no, i think actually they've hit one that i like. stay home, keep your kids at home, conservative parents. keep them at home and then watch them not get into college.
which is fine because they want to keep that evolution and other science and stuff like that. great thanks, have a great weekend. >> thanks, keith. once more unto the beck. you thought he brought the crazy last night, wait until you see round two. inside another town hall without pity, a woman invokes hitler again and the congressman says thank you. senator al franken takes on the health tea party protestors. clean so deep...
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sean hannity thinks the president's name is jeremiah wright, and neither has the guts to stop an anti-reform health care speaker from references death panels or hitler. "worst persons" next, and then glenn beck's communist symbols at rockefeller center. and his observations that quote nobody notices it.
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not the terrorist, but the radical bill ayers. look how fair i was to the president, i didn't say he was the terrorist. continuing with his farcical two-man act in which he and mcconnell pretend to hold town halls in front of only critics of reform and medical and hospital employees. in such a hot house, mr. mccain's might be excused for missing something from the audience, but not for missing this. this is the president of a florida medical association jim dolan pushing the death panel lie. >> the only way achievable is by going to the draconian rationing that ezekiel talks about. when is that going to be part of the conversation? and when are the very young and very old understand that the people advising this president are observation expendablexpend?
>> doctor, i know you have a day job, but i'd like to take you with me wherever i go. i've never heard it more eloquently put than you just stated the situation. >> my god, john mccain ran for president. instead of being honest and saying to this man dolan, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt you're exaggerating, seniors will not be expendable, even under the strongest proposed health care reform, mccain lies through his teeth, offers the guy a job on their sham town hall tour. the one in which mr. mccain presents his firm belief in suppressing descent. speaking of which, mike pence of indiana, listen to this response as a panicked audience member in another members-only town hall, anderson, indiana, claims that health care reform will guarantee a better health care reform for members of congress and thus will, quoting her, set them up as a superior race. >> it will set them up as a superior race. they are better than we are.
and you know who came with the terminology of a superior race. it sounds a bit like hitler. >> who came up with the terminology of the superior race? lady, you did. you just said that congress would be a superior race, the reformers didn't say it, the president didn't say it, you did. by the way, what do we have? one group of people who are insured who maybe can afford doctors who don't take insurance who survive more often than everybody else. and congressman pence, when a woman introduces adolf hitler into a conversation about improving this maze in a mine field of a health care system that we have now, you're supposed to remind her that such comparisons are offensive and she's demeaning herself and the memory of everyone who died because of the real hitler. what you said and i quote, thank you. congressman mike, thank you for your psychotic inappropriate reference to hitler pence, today's "worst person in the world."
last night we closed this news hour with the deconstruction of the rather startling and extremely lengthy conclusions of glenn beck of fox news that the ge building indeed all of rockefeller center here in new york constituted some sort of giant communist fascist socialist totem poll of symbols and imagery of sub limb mall indoctrination. that's when we hit poor glenn with something he did not know, in which the building he does his show is part of rockefeller center. whatever maligned influences might be emanating from the walls are also eating away his brain. there's plenty of paranoia soup left over. we never got to his factual areas, so tonight, part two. >> oh, you know what? this is it. this is from moscow. the farmer and the worker, the hammer and the sickle. this capitalist had a hammer and a sickle? had the worker and the farmer just like moscow on his building
a progressive? >> the owl and the pussycat, you left out the owl and the pussycat. the rockefellers, says we're progressives, the inventor of the oil business, nelson rockefeller, four-term republican governor, david rockefeller, head of the chase bank, tried to sneak the shaw into this country for medical treatment, touching off the iran hostage crisis. they were progressives? >> oh, by the way, one other little tidbit, completely unrelated. commissioned by rockefeller, all of the things hidden by rockefeller. a progressive, a big leader, the rockefeller foundation? they gave a big award an awful lot of credibility to, oh van jones, our new green jobs czar. yeah, wow, that seems weird, huh? >> weirder than the rest of your show? not really, no. van jones, by the way is the guy who founded the organization that has already peeled off 57 of beck's advertisers.
so he really doesn't like van jones. and the rockefeller foundation once gave van jones a fellowship. that's absolutely true. but that gives us factual error number two. the rockefeller foundation is a hot bed of communism? left-wingers as retired supreme court justice sandra day o'connor. the president nominee in 1960 charles evan hughes and eisenhower's cold war secretary of state john foster dulles. he's such a communist evil doer that harper collins published his book. harper collins is the publishing house owned by glenn beck's boss rupert murdoch. there's plenty of yelling to come here, but two more factual errors before we start to have the fun. >> the last question we had for today's show was, do 20th century progressives love freedom or fascism? >> this just in, sparkky, it's the 21st century, it has been for nine years or eight years. if these are 20th century
similar bombs put up in the 1930s, what in the hell do they have to do with today? >> what does this have to do with today? i don't know. >> i gathered. now we can cut to the core on the fourth and final factual error. >> all of the images that i've shown you here, thousands of people walk by every single day, jack, our sound engineer. how long did you work in that building, jack? >> 29 years. >> 29 years he's been walking by that stuff and said i've never even seen it, i've never noticed it. of course not until somebody points it out. during the height of the cold war, hammer and sickle and the fascist mussolini, carved there in rockefeller plaza. and nobody notices it. >> and that begs the most essential questions. assuming the walls really do wreak with socialist propaganda that john d. rockefeller put up personally on his lunch hour, between squeezing his corporation into saw dust, if nobody else notices this stuff, what the hell are you talking about it for?
if it's totally indecipherable to the average person, why does it matter? and after listening to him explain the rest of it, it is totally indecipherable. >> let me show you what it is. here's a guy with a horse on the chariot. i'll show it to you piece by piece. here's the sun, show me the boy, this is the youth, the next one is the youth here. leading the way, notice he's ahead of the horses. >> are the horses mr. ed and barbaro? >> notice he's ahead of the horses. he's leading the way into the bright future of tomorrow. now, this man standing on a chariot the wheel is always representative of industry in any of these progressive pictures or paintings or artwork. so you've got the wheel. now let's go to the horses, please. he's standing on a chariot the
industry and the engines of industry, but who's in the back here? >> colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick? >> i've showed you the nbc building, i've been showing you some of the things from rockefeller plaza that have been in plain sight, plain sight for all these years. >> it's all there black and white, clear as crystal, you stole busy lifting drinks, bumped into the ceiling that has to be washed and sterilized, you get nothing. you lose. good day, sir. >> first let me show you what everything means. it's going to be hard to see. but in the back, here's the crowd of americans, in the background you see the police beating people. angry mobs, i guess. here's the evil army of capitalism up here with the gas mask and war planes, capitalism, army, awful. then there's the wonderful people over here of moscow. and here are the onion domes of moscow. >> i see it happening, they've got to tell people the ocean's
dying, plankton is dying. soil is green, it's made out of people. next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle for food. you've got to tell them, you tell everybody. listen to me, beck, you've got to tell them, slanted green is people. >> you might define their freedom as fascism, but no, no, no. at the time that was done, the progressives thought he was a good guy. they thought that was the ultimate system of government. >> you know i love you, baby, i wouldn't leave you. i ran out of gas, i had a flat tire, i didn't have enough money for cab fair. my tux didn't come back from the cleaners. an old friend came into town. someone stole my car, there was an earthquake, terrible flood, locusts. it wasn't my fault, i swear to god! >> let me show you the relief here again. in front of the 636 fifth avenue in rockefeller plaza. this was fascism. if you see the young boy led there right into the sunrise a bright tomorrow.
and the strong man holding back. industry and the engines of industry, that in that picture, that represents mousolini, that's what it was carved for. that sounds like fascism to me and it drives me nuts. that nobody knows what this is. >> i am the fool, i am the wrath of the lamb and the angel of the bottomless pit. >> the man's trying to control it here. this is disease. right above syphilis is right here. oh, rockefeller. yeah, the artist didn't like rockefeller too much even though rockefeller commissioned this art for the lobby of nbc. oh, and then one other thing, who's the savior? oh, right over here, lennon. >> the body snatchers are here, can't you see? everyone, they're here already. you're next.
and look what they've already done at the fox news building, it's part of the rockefeller center. who took those pictures less than 36 hours ago. an outdated high ro -- hyroglyph of bill o'reilly and allen colmes. not one symbol representing the glenn beck, overnight, overnight, overnight they sneaked in the communist symbol mongers the symbol of the beck. this is a travesty, a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. and worst of all, worst of all, look what they've done to this woman in new jersey. >> if you notice i have recorded an episode of glenn beck, the 2:00 a.m. show on 8/5. now, look at my scheduled recordings. do you see what it says? it says glenn -- now, i wonder
how that happened? who might have done that? >> john d. rockefeller did that from the grave. he really did it. you maniac, you blew it up, oh, damn you! damn you all to hell! now with the play by-play look at senator al franken versus the t.e.a. party protestors. tea party protestors. ladies and gentlemen, sitting in for rachel maddow, here is ana marie cox. good evening. >> good evening, keith, thank you. and thank you for tuning in. rachel has literally gone
fishing. but we carry on with a very busy show, including the latest declaration of states rights, the ongoing struggle to push health care reform forward, and legal challenge to mega insurance companies in california. and we give al franken pointers on how to get on the tv. but we begin tonight in the latest in far right wing nuttery. first they sounded the alarm about the president's secret kenyan birth certificate, the birthers, then they warned you the health care reform plan was a plot to kill grandma, the deathers, and now the conservative cornered that specializes in conspiracy theorys has been inspired by the president plan's to address students next week. reading the word about what the speech really means. president obama is coming for your children. >> this is what chairman did. this is like going into every single classroom. there's no escape from him. >> they do this type of thing in north korea and the former soviet union. we know that the left has always used kids in public schools as guinea pigs and junior lobbyists for their social liberal agenda. >> now, that sounds farfetched, but it does explain the shadowy juice box